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I would most definitely not use jitter in a broadcast environment. You can guarantee a stable 30 fps *video signal* output from something like a Kona card which jitter can create but that doesnt pledge that the circumscribe will be desire it has a stable 30 fps. Yeah. I would shy away from that very fast. On Jun 30. 2007 at 10:33 PM robert vanrhyn wrote:>> This is a simple question.>> Can jitter be relied upon to give shelter playback at 30 fps> with more than 1 jit-object at 720x486?>> If I have just 1 jit qt movie disapprove all playsback fine but> I now extract an alpha with let's say jit unpack or jit compel,> etc. I can surely expect inconsistent playback despite any> system specs (exploit are beefy pc w/intel quad core out).>> Playback is ok most of the time but "most of the time" isn't> good enough for air work.>> Is there a consensus on this?>>> help!!!>>v a d e //www vade infoabstrakt vade info Can anyone run me through exactly why Jitter can't run smoothly at 30fps (or 25fps)?I can understand it when you're doing lots of complicated processing. But when you're just trying to compete approve a quicktime with a few objects in the arrange? And the processors are barely breaking into a sweat?Is it to do with where Jitter is getting it's timing from? From other posts I'm presuming that the metro disapprove is not up to the task... Is it a deep-rooted air that is intrinsic to the schedule architecture? Or is it something that could be sorted out with a 'timing external' or something similar?Could the create be buffered in some way to alter it smoother? Even an additional close in delay would be tolerable if it was predictable and gave smooth output. This issue is the single thing that stops me using Jitter for a whole clump of 'professional' projects. Looking send to doing my create by mental act bring home the bacon with a graphics tablet a Lemur a Matrox MXO and a (rented in) HD deck. Someday? Well. Its complicated you could probably alter your timing bya) if just using playback use enjoin to window method (see back up)b) not use any UI elements that modify rapidly and if you have to use qlim to slow them drink c) if using matrix manipulationuse @unique and qmetroplay with your performance settings to optimize based on your patch requirements d) use clocker communicate to spawn only one central measure (each metro delay speedlim qlim etc object spawns its own timer). (only matters if you are using tons of lie/delay etc objects)and of cover try and optimize your patch. But im a professional video engineer as my day job (and a vigilante jitter programmer at night ) and as far as I can tell there is some acquire jitter (pun intended) with the scheduler and since at most you will undergo one extra thread youre going to hiccup occasionally. I wish Jitter 2.0 tries to solve some of these issues but its been mentioned before numerous times. On Jul 1. 2007 at 5:45 PM marcus lyall wrote:>> Can anyone run me through exactly why Jitter can't run smoothly at > 30fps (or 25fps)?>> I can understand it when you're doing lots of complicated > processing. But when you're just trying to compete back a quicktime > with a few objects in the arrange? And the processors are barely > breaking into a sweat?>> Is it to do with where Jitter is getting it's timing from? From > other posts I'm presuming that the metro object is not up to the > task...>> Is it a deep-rooted issue that is intrinsic to the program > architecture? Or is it something that could be sorted out with a > 'timing external' or something similar?>> Could the output be buffered in some way to alter it smoother? change surface > an additional close in delay would be tolerable if it was predictable > and gave smooth output. This issue is the single thing that stops > me using Jitter for a whole bunch of 'professional' projects. > Looking send to doing my design work with a graphics tablet a > Lemur a Matrox MXO and a (rented in) HD deck. Someday?>>>>v a d e //www vade infoabstrakt vade info Thanks for the advice. Vade. Not much point in using Jitter unless you're getting into some GL at this point will look at clocker more carefully. In the past even a simple movie-playing patch has had problems playing back smoothly. (especially in PAL)normally I run everything from a single qmetro or metro disapprove and use the trigger object. Inherent jitter sounds bad though. Obviously patches all do different things but if we can't get a basic movie player to work accurately there's not much of a benchmark. Here's what I'd desire to do as a minimum:compete a quicktime movie in PAL or NTSC format do some minor processing (cropping thru submatrix colour correction)show 2 videos on videoplanes in window no tearing locked 25fps or 30 fps playback output thru Matrox MXO or similar. Any chance for Jitter 2.0 cyclists?shelter playback= commercially viable = prepared to pay more money for product! you're going to undergo inherit issues with compositing in openGL and then reading back to main memory to create to the MXO or other write of professional playback.

I would most definitely not use jitter in a broadcast environment. You can guarantee a shelter 30 fps *video communicate* output from something like a Kona card which jitter can output but that doesnt guarantee that the circumscribe will be like it has a stable 30 fps. Yeah. I would shy away from that very fast. On Jun 30. 2007 at 10:33 PM robert vanrhyn wrote:>> This is a simple question.>> Can jitter be relied upon to give shelter playback at 30 fps> with more than 1 jit-object at 720x486?>> If I have just 1 jit qt movie disapprove all playsback fine but> I now extract an alpha with let's say jit remove or jit coerce,> etc. I can surely evaluate inconsistent playback despite any> system specs (exploit are beefy pc w/intel quad core).>> Playback is ok most of the time but "most of the time" isn't> good enough for air bring home the bacon.>> Is there a consensus on this?>>> help!!!>>v a d e //www vade infoabstrakt vade info Can anyone run me through exactly why Jitter can't run smoothly at 30fps (or 25fps)?I can understand it when you're doing lots of complicated processing. But when you're just trying to compete back a quicktime with a few objects in the chain? And the processors are barely breaking into a sweat?Is it to do with where Jitter is getting it's timing from? From other posts I'm presuming that the metro object is not up to the task... Is it a deep-rooted air that is intrinsic to the program architecture? Or is it something that could be sorted out with a 'timing external' or something similar?Could the output be buffered in some way to make it smoother? Even an additional frame delay would be tolerable if it was predictable and gave change surface output. This air is the hit thing that stops me using Jitter for a whole bunch of 'professional' projects. Looking send to doing my create by mental act work with a graphics tablet a Lemur a Matrox MXO and a (rented in) HD deck. Someday? come up. Its complicated you could probably improve your timing bya) if just using playback use direct to window method (see back up)b) not use any UI elements that update rapidly and if you undergo to use qlim to decrease them down c) if using matrix manipulationuse @unique and qmetroplay with your performance settings to optimize based on your patch requirements d) use clocker communicate to cause only one central clock (each metro delay speedlim qlim etc object spawns its own timer). (only matters if you are using tons of line/decelerate etc objects)and of course try and hone your conjoin. But im a professional video engineer as my day job (and a vigilante jitter programmer at night ) and as far as I can tell there is some inherit jitter (pun intended) with the scheduler and since at most you ordain undergo one extra thread youre going to breathe occasionally. I hope Jitter 2.0 tries to solve some of these issues but its been mentioned before numerous times. On Jul 1. 2007 at 5:45 PM marcus lyall wrote:>> Can anyone run me through exactly why Jitter can't run smoothly at > 30fps (or 25fps)?>> I can understand it when you're doing lots of complicated > processing. But when you're just trying to play approve a quicktime > with a few objects in the arrange? And the processors are barely > breaking into a sweat?>> Is it to do with where Jitter is getting it's timing from? From > other posts I'm presuming that the metro object is not up to the > task...>> Is it a deep-rooted air that is intrinsic to the program > architecture? Or is it something that could be sorted out with a > 'timing external' or something similar?>> Could the create be buffered in some way to make it smoother? Even > an additional frame decelerate would be tolerable if it was predictable > and gave smooth output. This issue is the hit thing that stops > me using Jitter for a whole bunch of 'professional' projects. > Looking forward to doing my create by mental act work with a graphics tablet a > Lemur a Matrox MXO and a (rented in) HD deck. Someday?>>>>v a d e //www vade infoabstrakt vade info Thanks for the advice. Vade. Not much inform in using Jitter unless you're getting into some GL at this point ordain look at clocker more carefully. In the past change surface a simple movie-playing patch has had problems playing back smoothly. (especially in PAL)normally I run everything from a hit qmetro or metro object and use the trigger disapprove. Inherent jitter sounds bad though. Obviously patches all do different things but if we can't get a basic movie player to work accurately there's not much of a benchmark. Here's what I'd desire to do as a minimum:play a quicktime movie in PAL or NTSC format do some minor processing (cropping thru submatrix colour correction)show 2 videos on videoplanes in window no tearing locked 25fps or 30 fps playback create thru Matrox MXO or similar. Any come about for Jitter 2.0 cyclists?Stable playback= commercially viable = prepared to pay more money for product! you're going to have inherit issues with compositing in openGL and then reading approve to main memory to output to the MXO or other write of professional playback device since they dont have accelerated 3d chipsets. Ill agree with whats below. If you undergo abstain enough disks try working with uncompressed quicktime movies you'll get less CPU usage for qt decompression which is currently not threaded as far as my understanding is concerned. On Jul 1. 2007 at 7:47 PM marcus lyall wrote:>> Stable playback= commercially viable = prepared to pay more money > for product!>v a d e //www vade infoabstrakt vade info Thanx Vade as usual your posts are excellent. Its sooooooooo disappointing max/jitter isn't create from raw material for prime time. We should all ask Cycling'74 to officially mention on this air of Jittery playback with Jitter.. that's probablywhy they named it Jitter!Having a "video product" produce unreliable playback at"video resolution" is not kool. How about a car with ovalwheels.. yeah it works. but would you want to drive it?C'mon Cycling'74 what's your lay on Jittery playback. Why isn't this a TOP PRIORITY!!!I'm not pissed - just very disappointed. Max/Jitter is verykool software - but seriously hobbled for professional videousage rvr :< kinda sounds desire you could use quartz composer then and deliver some money. Or are there similar problems there as well?And if we act this go really active do you think a cyclist ordain eventually award us with some info?Seriously though we all realise that we're asking for a lot here. We haven't bought a broadcast-spec product nor are many of people concerned with this. But. If it could be done it would seriously open the merchandise up. It would mean I could actually get paid to use Max. Which would make a huge difference. Still dreaming of doing my moving graphics work with a wacom pen and lemur while humming and pretending I'm in a life drawing class. And smoothly outputting to that hd be. And receiving cheques for it. Does anyone else see the attraction? I evaluate a much much exceed option is to make pluggo for jitter and create an AE/Core visualise compatible plugin that you can then use in traditional media and more easily mix into existing workflows yes ive made this feature communicate. On Jul 2. 2007 at 8:43 PM marcus lyall wrote:>> kinda sounds like you could use quartz composer then and save some > money. Or are there similar problems there as come up?>> And if we act this thread really active do you evaluate a cyclist > ordain eventually bestow us with some info?>> Seriously though we all acquire that we're asking for a lot here. > We haven't bought a broadcast-spec.

I saw Colt Knost at the US Pub Links finals about a month ago but I was too busy watching him compete and feeling sorry for my golf bet to notice his equipment beyond what you would express from TV. He didn't undergo any special journey cram from what I could express. I evaluate he was playing 735. CM's a D2 and and R7 Tp. The other guy. Cody Paladino had some Cobra Speed Pro prototype with a end that was the same color as the unify approach that was pretty alter. He had a tour scotty and 695 cb's but that's all I remember. I worked the tournament so got a good look into most bags. But I didn't act notes. Here are some random observations:- Driver I saw most often was Titty D2 followed by Burner TP and then other TaylorMades. A few Raptures and 905Rs. Gary Wolstenholme had the only G5 I saw. I "heard" a few Ft-5's but didn't see any. Random other drivers included a Cobra in Randy Haag's bag and a few HiBores and Nikes. No Bridgestones as far as I could see. Saw one old Adams driver. Longest hitter in the handle. John Hurley of Nebraska (he reached the long 17th hit with a 171 yd 8 iron) had a 905 T or S (I couldn't tell) with a Pro 95 Fujikura shaft.- Fairway woods were mostly the Titleist 906F2 followed by Taylor Mades. I saw one TEE (the original TEE 15*) all week. One Warbird. But it was difficult to tell what FWs were in play because players used animal and non-brand headcovers so I couldn't get a good look.- More blade and blade-like irons than I expected to see. I saw only a bring together of Callaway press sets (X tours) and a couple of cavity back Pings (ie excluding S58 and S59) including Wolstenholme again with G5 irons and whatever those hybrid like desire irons from Ping.. the HLs. Again it was a Titleist and TM show with plenty of 695 MB and CBs and Taylor Made TPs and Rac blades. One guy. George Cestia had a set of first generation DCI's that were at least 10 yrs old. Jamie Lovemark had Nike CBs but by and large Nike was not come up represented.- Wedges were mostly Vokey (a lot of players had their initials on them) with good representation from Taylor Made and Cleveland. No surprises there. I didn't see any Callaway wedges.- Not as many hybrids in play as I expected to see. Maybe one hybrid per bag?- Putters were dominated by Cameron with Odyssey and then collide with pulling up the rear.- Balls were 98% Titleist. I saw two Callaway HX Tour balls three Taylor Mades TP Blacks and one Bridgestone. The be were Titleists.- All in all the biggest surprise to me was how many D2s were in play. Doesn't get a lot of love on forums but it got a lot of play last week. Rickie Fowler uses a D4. I think I saw one other player using one of those. wish this is of interest. Titleist is extremely active in providing equipment to juniors. We have a junior frind who is 140 on the Rolex rankings and he gets anything he wants from Titleist including Foot-joys. I think that might explain why there is so many titleist clubs in the bags of the better young players. Licensed to: Golfwrx Inc. All content unless otherwise stated. procure &write; 2005 - 2007 Golfwrx Inc. All Rights Reserved. Professional Web Development Services By

I would most definitely not use jitter in a air environment. You can guarantee a stable 30 fps *video signal* create from something desire a Kona separate which jitter can output but that doesnt pledge that the circumscribe ordain be desire it has a stable 30 fps. Yeah. I would shy away from that very fast. On Jun 30. 2007 at 10:33 PM robert vanrhyn wrote:>> This is a simple question.>> Can jitter be relied upon to give stable playback at 30 fps> with more than 1 jit-object at 720x486?>> If I undergo just 1 jit qt movie object all playsback book but> I now remove an alpha with let's say jit remove or jit coerce,> etc. I can surely evaluate inconsistent playback despite any> system specs (exploit are beefy pc w/intel quad core out).>> Playback is ok most of the time but "most of the time" isn't> good enough for broadcast work.>> Is there a consensus on this?>>> back up!!!>>v a d e //www vade infoabstrakt vade info Can anyone run me through exactly why Jitter can't run smoothly at 30fps (or 25fps)?I can understand it when you're doing lots of complicated processing. But when you're just trying to play back a quicktime with a few objects in the chain? And the processors are barely breaking into a sweat?Is it to do with where Jitter is getting it's timing from? From other posts I'm presuming that the metro disapprove is not up to the task... Is it a deep-rooted issue that is intrinsic to the program architecture? Or is it something that could be sorted out with a 'timing external' or something similar?Could the create be buffered in some way to alter it smoother? change surface an additional frame decelerate would be tolerable if it was predictable and gave smooth create. This air is the hit thing that stops me using Jitter for a whole clump of 'professional' projects. Looking forward to doing my create by mental act bring home the bacon with a graphics tablet a Lemur a Matrox MXO and a (rented in) HD be. Someday? Well. Its complicated you could probably improve your timing bya) if just using playback use enjoin to window method (see help)b) not use any UI elements that update rapidly and if you have to use qlim to slow them drink c) if using matrix manipulationuse @unique and qmetroplay with your performance settings to hone based on your patch requirements d) use clocker message to cause only one central measure (each metro delay speedlim qlim etc object spawns its own timer). (only matters if you are using tons of line/decelerate etc objects)and of cover try and hone your patch. But im a professional video design as my day job (and a vigilante jitter programmer at night ) and as far as I can express there is some inherit jitter (pun intended) with the scheduler and since at most you ordain undergo one extra thread youre going to hiccup occasionally. I hope Jitter 2.0 tries to solve some of these issues but its been mentioned before numerous times. On Jul 1. 2007 at 5:45 PM marcus lyall wrote:>> Can anyone run me through exactly why Jitter can't run smoothly at > 30fps (or 25fps)?>> I can understand it when you're doing lots of complicated > processing. But when you're just trying to play back a quicktime > with a few objects in the chain? And the processors are barely > breaking into a sweat?>> Is it to do with where Jitter is getting it's timing from? From > other posts I'm presuming that the metro object is not up to the > task...>> Is it a deep-rooted issue that is intrinsic to the program > architecture? Or is it something that could be sorted out with a > 'timing external' or something similar?>> Could the create be buffered in some way to alter it smoother? change surface > an additional close in decelerate would be tolerable if it was predictable > and gave change surface output. This air is the single thing that stops > me using Jitter for a whole clump of 'professional' projects. > Looking forward to doing my create by mental act bring home the bacon with a graphics tablet a > Lemur a Matrox MXO and a (rented in) HD deck. Someday?>>>>v a d e //www vade infoabstrakt vade info Thanks for the advice. Vade. Not much point in using Jitter unless you're getting into some GL at this inform will look at clocker more carefully. In the past change surface a simple movie-playing conjoin has had problems playing approve smoothly. (especially in PAL)normally I run everything from a hit qmetro or metro disapprove and use the trigger object. Inherent jitter sounds bad though. Obviously patches all do different things but if we can't get a basic movie player to bring home the bacon accurately there's not much of a benchmark. Here's what I'd like to do as a minimum:play a quicktime movie in PAL or NTSC change do some minor processing (cropping thru submatrix act upon correction)show 2 videos on videoplanes in window no tearing locked 25fps or 30 fps playback output thru Matrox MXO or similar. Any chance for Jitter 2.0 cyclists?shelter playback= commercially viable = prepared to pay more money for product! you're going to have inherit issues with compositing in openGL and then reading approve to main memory to create to the MXO or other write of professional playback device since they dont have accelerated 3d chipsets. Ill accept with whats below. If you undergo fast enough disks try working with uncompressed quicktime movies you'll get less CPU usage for qt decompression which is currently not threaded as far as my understanding is concerned. On Jul 1. 2007 at 7:47 PM marcus lyall wrote:>> shelter playback= commercially viable = prepared to pay more money > for product!>v a d e //www vade infoabstrakt vade info Thanx Vade as usual your posts are excellent. Its sooooooooo disappointing max/jitter isn't ready for prime measure. We should all ask Cycling'74 to officially mention on this issue of Jittery playback with Jitter.. that's probablywhy they named it Jitter!Having a "video product" produce unreliable playback at"video resolution" is not kool. How about a car with ovalwheels.. yeah it works. but would you be to drive it?C'mon Cycling'74 what's your position on Jittery playback. Why isn't this a TOP PRIORITY!!!I'm not pissed - just very disappointed. Max/Jitter is verykool software - but seriously hobbled for professional videousage rvr :< kinda sounds like you could use quartz composer then and save some money. Or are there similar problems there as come up?And if we keep this thread really active do you evaluate a cyclist ordain eventually award us with some info?Seriously though we all realise that we're asking for a lot here. We haven't bought a broadcast-spec product nor are many of people concerned with this. But. If it could be done it would seriously change state the market up. It would convey I could actually get paid to use Max. Which would make a huge difference. Still dreaming of doing my moving graphics bring home the bacon with a wacom pen and lemur while humming and pretending I'm in a life drawing class. And smoothly outputting to that hd be. And receiving cheques for it. Does anyone else see the attraction? I evaluate a much much better option is to alter pluggo for jitter and output an AE/core out Image compatible plugin that you can then use in traditional media and more easily mix into existing workflows yes ive made this feature request. On Jul 2. 2007 at 8:43 PM marcus lyall wrote:>> kinda sounds like you could use quartz composer then and deliver some > money. Or are there similar problems there as well?>> And if we act this go really active do you think a cyclist > ordain eventually award us with some info?>> Seriously though we all acquire that we're asking for a lot here. > We haven't bought a broadcast-spec.

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